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AbSoLuTe
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posted 03-03-99 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbSoLuTe     
C'day there Dwarfer
I have been following yo posts in D Bomb And dunno how to email ya and as you have also gone with the Ag dream, was wonder what you best yield has been so far and was wondering if you could do a good drawing of yo Bomb and maybe get it scanned or sumthing.
For that matter , anyone who has had good success ( Better that 60 - 70% yield) with the Ag route rather than Pd.

Sorry for this Topic, Optimus, but a man gotta do what a man gotta do.

Zigdog
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posted 03-03-99 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zigdog     
Hi AbSoLuTe - I'm getting real close to firing up my version of the "Dwarfer". Although I've been saying that for the past week and half I actually can 'see' the horizon now.

Being a "novices' novice" I have been challanged by this project at every step. Why this method motivated me to go ahead and join the ranks of the hive and build the 'bomb' vs. going down to the garage and scraping the 'red p' off of that case of road flares is still a bit unclear to me. I guess it had a more 'mechanical' feel to it and that fits my profile. (see Hive Couch - 1999 Census Thread).

The decision to use the Ag is in the same theme. It's real OTC and that is my secondary goal, being able to have a real "handymans" method of production. Don't get me wrong here, I've gone ahead and purchased all the necessary lab equip. and supplies to do a tidy, amateur job. Nothing like you "Pro's" but it's sufficient.

I really hope 'and pray' that today is the day. I'll let you know later on.

A couple of questions if you don't mind.

What yield's have you experienced using Ag and have you any result's using Pd to compare it to?

What voltage, amp settings would you use while using Ag. UF's post of last week really didn't address that part of it. Maybe the V, A would be the same and time would be the varible?

Would volume of electrolyte affect the time (V,A) or is it based solely on the amount of feedstock?

About 100 more questions are circling my mind but time's up and so is the sun so I gotta go.

Sincerely

Zigdog

AbSoLuTe
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posted 03-03-99 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbSoLuTe     
Howdy ZigDog good to see you going for that lucid dream.
Check out my post tittled
"Silver Dream, Racing" should be down near the bottom by now.
Ag is not quite as good as Pd but much cheaper,yield is as good takes a bit longer to get it optimum, have some good data on this froma few Rxn's and will put it in a chart/reaction curve soon .
Get back to it soon.

dwarfer
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posted 03-03-99 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwarfer     
Yo, guys:

So far, AbSoLuTe, I have used Ag but with about 1 gram of Pd/C in the catholyte.

I do not have the confirmation of Ag by itself, therefore, although I have no doubt it will work based on your "Silver Dream" thread.

I took pictures of the devices last week, but that is as far as I have gotten. If anybody has a great idea about an anonomous way to post the pics, lemmee know.

My quantitative capacities given my equipment (and predilictions) are laughable: I would guess 70 to 80% conversion using eph: PPA experiment will be more closely monitored.

Zigger, PJ said that the time is not critical as long as it's enough: the reaction will quit reducing once the leaving group is "left".

It will be nice to be set up with time to experiment.

I have hopes that in may not be necessary to esterify the feed stock.

Like yourself I get off on the mechanics more than the chemistry: and my consumption patterns are very light indeed.

I'll post my experimental voltages, yields, current, and electrode sizes this weekend.

Ab: have you done any "follow on" experiments since your original experiment?

Another question: are those bufous Cane toads in australia the kind that can be milked for bufotine?? (Off subject!)

Regards,
dwarfer

Sky
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posted 03-03-99 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sky     
I'v had a dream of using two susan B anthony silver dollars and a disasimbled flashlight. The product was exallent but I could only get 50%. Hate that damn esterfication shit if there was some way around that this would be the moonshine still of the future!

fj
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posted 03-03-99 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fj     
At least that's one qualitive test: If you make the ester and the product still smells like vinegar, you know it didn't go long enough. Doing a normal Pd/C hydrogenation with a tank of gas, it just runs until the H2 uptake stops (pressure doesn't go down no mo).

lost in the sauce
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posted 03-03-99 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lost in the sauce     
Cl instead of HO or an ester...is supposed to be an easy leaving group. Had a few dreams about it...but I can never dream up a mass spectrometer...so what the hell do I know? Cl is easy to stick on to things....its just hell to get the beans back out of a Zn/HCl stew.

AbSoLuTe
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posted 03-04-99 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbSoLuTe     
Sure can on the cane toads, people over here are always getting busted for smoking the skins and stuff, My sister(the only qualified chemist in the family bar my old man)did an extraction/chromo once and got bout 3gms of C12H16N2 aka DMT.Now that is a mad compound.
I will never ever smoke that shit again.

dwarfer
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posted 03-04-99 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwarfer     
Come on AbSoLuTe: tell us the story about your DMT experience!

If you know how many pounds of phalaris I've extracted wtih NO RESULT except days of wasted time and inactive crystals, you'd LAUGH!

Besides, "milking" the toads should be easier, and from what I've read the bufotinene (or bufotine?) is supposedly EASIER on you than DMT.

BUT, come on dude: where did you go to on your DMT flash!!

(I understand some people recommend colonic evacuation prior to ingestion just to make sure that they don't wake up smelly!)

dwarfer

ps: FJ, thanks for the info

Commodium
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posted 03-04-99 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Commodium     
Dwarfer: if you're gonna extract, you want Mimosa Hostilis root bark, available from BPC. Phalaris, if it has anything in it at all, will always have a lot more 5-meo than straight-up DMT.

I extracted 1 ounce of M.H. root bark and posted about it here awhile back. I did not totally "break through" on any of my trips (experience full ego loss), probably due to inadequate smoking technique. But even so, each time was very intense.

When done outdoors: beautiful breathing geometric patterns superimposed on the landscape around me, neon-bright metallic colors to everything. Really wonderful. Spiritual.

When done indoors, at night, in a dimly-lit garage: terrifying. Never saw the alien beings directly, but I could hear them whispering all around me. They were hiding behind the car, and behind the boxes of Christmas ornaments, the kids toys, etc. I could see them leering at me out of the corners of my eyes, but whenever I would turn to look, they'd hide themselves again and then they'd all bust out laughing. There was a real sinister quality to it, and I felt like a trapped animal.

Thankfully the DMT trip (when smoked) is a short one. If I ever do it again, I would only do it outdoors, in the daytime, in a beautiful, remote location.

dwarfer
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posted 03-04-99 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwarfer     
British Publishing company??

Brisbane Palliateive Care?

Black Pine Corp?

Bloomington Photography club?

Business Plus Corporation?

Bible Prespyterian Church?

Banca Passadora Corp?

British Parts Connection?

I GIVE UP!
dwarfer

Commodium
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posted 03-04-99 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Commodium     
Botanical Preservation Corp
Box 1368
Sebastopol CA 95473

No website, or even a business phone number. Their catalog is $2. Their Mimosa Hostilis root bark is 15$/oz. Shipping charges are $5 on orders of $1-15, and $8 on orders of $16-50.

Unfortunately, last I heard, they were out of that particular product, and some people have been waiting to recieve it for up to 2 months. They are a good company, though.

You also might want to to check out Drone's DMT synth. It's supposed to be fairly easy, with high yeilds.

dwarfer
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posted 03-05-99 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwarfer     
Oh yeah: thanks: they used to be

"...Of the Jungle" or something like that.

I'll check out the synth, but probaly easier for me to extract.

AND, outdoors for me, where I can see the little suckers comin!

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