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Topic: The Dwarfer Effect ??!! with Ag
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AbSoLuTe Member |
posted 03-03-99 02:58 AM
C'day there Dwarfer I have been following yo posts in D Bomb And dunno
how to email ya and as you have also gone with the Ag dream, was wonder
what you best yield has been so far and was wondering if you could do a
good drawing of yo Bomb and maybe get it scanned or sumthing. For that
matter , anyone who has had good success ( Better that 60 - 70% yield)
with the Ag route rather than Pd.
Sorry for this Topic, Optimus, but a man gotta do what a man gotta
do.
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Zigdog Member |
posted 03-03-99 08:38 AM
Hi AbSoLuTe - I'm getting real close to firing up my version of the
"Dwarfer". Although I've been saying that for the past week and half I
actually can 'see' the horizon now.
Being a "novices' novice" I have been challanged by this project at
every step. Why this method motivated me to go ahead and join the ranks of
the hive and build the 'bomb' vs. going down to the garage and scraping
the 'red p' off of that case of road flares is still a bit unclear to me.
I guess it had a more 'mechanical' feel to it and that fits my profile.
(see Hive Couch - 1999 Census Thread).
The decision to use the Ag is in the same theme. It's real OTC and that
is my secondary goal, being able to have a real "handymans" method of
production. Don't get me wrong here, I've gone ahead and purchased all the
necessary lab equip. and supplies to do a tidy, amateur job. Nothing like
you "Pro's" but it's sufficient.
I really hope 'and pray' that today is the day. I'll let you know later
on.
A couple of questions if you don't mind.
What yield's have you experienced using Ag and have you any result's
using Pd to compare it to?
What voltage, amp settings would you use while using Ag. UF's post of
last week really didn't address that part of it. Maybe the V, A would be
the same and time would be the varible?
Would volume of electrolyte affect the time (V,A) or is it based solely
on the amount of feedstock?
About 100 more questions are circling my mind but time's up and so is
the sun so I gotta go.
Sincerely
Zigdog
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AbSoLuTe Member |
posted 03-03-99 02:31 PM
Howdy ZigDog good to see you going for that lucid dream. Check out my
post tittled "Silver Dream, Racing" should be down near the bottom by
now. Ag is not quite as good as Pd but much cheaper,yield is as good
takes a bit longer to get it optimum, have some good data on this froma
few Rxn's and will put it in a chart/reaction curve soon . Get back to
it soon.
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dwarfer Member |
posted 03-03-99 02:48 PM
Yo, guys:
So far, AbSoLuTe, I have used Ag but with about 1 gram of Pd/C in the
catholyte.
I do not have the confirmation of Ag by itself, therefore, although I
have no doubt it will work based on your "Silver Dream" thread.
I took pictures of the devices last week, but that is as far as I have
gotten. If anybody has a great idea about an anonomous way to post the
pics, lemmee know.
My quantitative capacities given my equipment (and predilictions) are
laughable: I would guess 70 to 80% conversion using eph: PPA experiment
will be more closely monitored.
Zigger, PJ said that the time is not critical as long as it's enough:
the reaction will quit reducing once the leaving group is "left".
It will be nice to be set up with time to experiment.
I have hopes that in may not be necessary to esterify the feed stock.
Like yourself I get off on the mechanics more than the chemistry: and
my consumption patterns are very light indeed.
I'll post my experimental voltages, yields, current, and electrode
sizes this weekend.
Ab: have you done any "follow on" experiments since your original
experiment?
Another question: are those bufous Cane toads in australia the kind
that can be milked for bufotine?? (Off subject!)
Regards, dwarfer
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Sky Member |
posted 03-03-99 09:25 PM
I'v had a dream of using two susan B anthony silver dollars and a
disasimbled flashlight. The product was exallent but I could only get 50%.
Hate that damn esterfication shit if there was some way around that this
would be the moonshine still of the future!
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fj Member |
posted 03-03-99 10:10 PM
At least that's one qualitive test: If you make the ester and the product
still smells like vinegar, you know it didn't go long enough. Doing a
normal Pd/C hydrogenation with a tank of gas, it just runs until the H2
uptake stops (pressure doesn't go down no mo).
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lost in
the sauce Member
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posted 03-03-99 10:41 PM
Cl instead of HO or an ester...is supposed to be an easy leaving group.
Had a few dreams about it...but I can never dream up a mass
spectrometer...so what the hell do I know? Cl is easy to stick on to
things....its just hell to get the beans back out of a Zn/HCl stew.
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AbSoLuTe Member |
posted 03-04-99 02:36 AM
Sure can on the cane toads, people over here are always getting busted for
smoking the skins and stuff, My sister(the only qualified chemist in the
family bar my old man)did an extraction/chromo once and got bout 3gms of
C12H16N2 aka DMT.Now that is a mad compound. I will never ever smoke
that shit again.
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dwarfer Member |
posted 03-04-99 02:21 PM
Come on AbSoLuTe: tell us the story about your DMT experience!
If you know how many pounds of phalaris I've extracted wtih NO RESULT
except days of wasted time and inactive crystals, you'd LAUGH!
Besides, "milking" the toads should be easier, and from what I've read
the bufotinene (or bufotine?) is supposedly EASIER on you than DMT.
BUT, come on dude: where did you go to on your DMT flash!!
(I understand some people recommend colonic evacuation prior to
ingestion just to make sure that they don't wake up smelly!)
dwarfer
ps: FJ, thanks for the info
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Commodium Member |
posted 03-04-99 04:16 PM
Dwarfer: if you're gonna extract, you want Mimosa Hostilis root bark,
available from BPC. Phalaris, if it has anything in it at all, will always
have a lot more 5-meo than straight-up DMT.
I extracted 1 ounce of M.H. root bark and posted about it here awhile
back. I did not totally "break through" on any of my trips (experience
full ego loss), probably due to inadequate smoking technique. But even so,
each time was very intense.
When done outdoors: beautiful breathing geometric patterns superimposed
on the landscape around me, neon-bright metallic colors to everything.
Really wonderful. Spiritual.
When done indoors, at night, in a dimly-lit garage: terrifying. Never
saw the alien beings directly, but I could hear them whispering all around
me. They were hiding behind the car, and behind the boxes of Christmas
ornaments, the kids toys, etc. I could see them leering at me out of the
corners of my eyes, but whenever I would turn to look, they'd hide
themselves again and then they'd all bust out laughing. There was a real
sinister quality to it, and I felt like a trapped animal.
Thankfully the DMT trip (when smoked) is a short one. If I ever do it
again, I would only do it outdoors, in the daytime, in a beautiful, remote
location.
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dwarfer Member |
posted 03-04-99 07:52 PM
British Publishing company??
Brisbane Palliateive Care?
Black Pine Corp?
Bloomington Photography club?
Business Plus Corporation?
Bible Prespyterian Church?
Banca Passadora Corp?
British Parts Connection?
I GIVE UP! dwarfer
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Commodium Member |
posted 03-04-99 08:23 PM
Botanical Preservation Corp Box 1368 Sebastopol CA 95473
No website, or even a business phone number. Their catalog is $2. Their
Mimosa Hostilis root bark is 15$/oz. Shipping charges are $5 on orders of
$1-15, and $8 on orders of $16-50.
Unfortunately, last I heard, they were out of that particular product,
and some people have been waiting to recieve it for up to 2 months. They
are a good company, though.
You also might want to to check out Drone's DMT synth. It's supposed to
be fairly easy, with high yeilds.
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dwarfer Member |
posted 03-05-99 02:10 PM
Oh yeah: thanks: they used to be
"...Of the Jungle" or something like that.
I'll check out the synth, but probaly easier for me to extract.
AND, outdoors for me, where I can see the little suckers comin!
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